Obama’s former campaign manager is predicting that Trump will beat Bernie Sanders if he is the candidate in 2020.

According to The Daily Wire:

Appearing on the Wednesday episode of ABC’s “Powerhouse Politics” podcast, former deputy chief of staff and 2012 campaign manager for President Barack Obama, Jim Messina, stated that he doesn’t believe Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) can beat Trump in 2020.

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He then pointed out, however, that “61% of Democrats say the most important issue in the Democratic primary for president is who can beat Donald Trump.” This, according to Messina, is a point of contrast between the politicians and the average Democratic voter, who simply wants to know who can best win the 2020 election.

This prompted Karl to ask: “Can Bernie Sanders beat Donald Trump?”

Messina swiftly replied: “No.”

Bernie is the top fundraiser for the Democrats so far, but a lot can happen between now and when the nomination is secured.