According to alleged audio dialogue leaked by Jonathan Karl, former ABC News chief White House correspondent, 45th President Donald Trump defended his supporters’ anger toward ex-Vice President Mike Pence when he refused to stop the certification of the 2020 election, which allegedly had fraud involved in many races.

Mediaite shows the conversation between Trump and Karl as follows, per Axios:

Jonathan Karl: “Were you worried about him during that siege? Were you worried about his safety?”

Trump: “No, I thought he was well-protected, and I had heard that he was in good shape. No. Because I had heard he was in very good shape. But, but, no, I think — ”

Karl: “Because you heard those chants — that was terrible. I mean — ”

Trump: “He could have — well, the people were very angry.”

Karl: “They were saying ‘hang Mike Pence.’”

Trump: “Because it’s common sense, Jon. It’s common sense that you’re supposed to protect. How can you — if you know a vote is fraudulent, right? — how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress? How can you do that? And I’m telling you: 50/50, it’s right down the middle for the top constitutional scholars when I speak to them. Anybody I spoke to — almost all of them at least pretty much agree, and some very much agree with me — because he’s passing on a vote that he knows is fraudulent. How can you pass a vote that you know is fraudulent? Now, when I spoke to him, I really talked about all of the fraudulent things that happened during the election. I didn’t talk about the main point, which is the legislatures did not approve — five states. The legislatures did not approve all of those changes that made the difference between a very easy win for me in the states, or a loss that was very close, because the losses were all very close.”

According to reports, this conversation is a slice of a 90-minute interview conducted on March 18 at Mar-a-Lago for Karl’s book “Betrayal,” which will hit bookstores Tuesday. The full context behind the clip was not disclosed, just a 36-second snippet Karl posted via Twitter:

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