Shocking Audio Reveals Trump’s True Feelings About Pence

Photo of Trump and Pence in the Oval Office. Public Domain

According to alleged audio dialogue leaked by Jonathan Karl, former ABC News chief White House correspondent, 45th President Donald Trump defended his supporters’ anger toward ex-Vice President Mike Pence when he refused to stop the certification of the 2020 election, which allegedly had fraud involved in many races.

Mediaite shows the conversation between Trump and Karl as follows, per Axios:

Jonathan Karl: “Were you worried about him during that siege? Were you worried about his safety?”

Trump: “No, I thought he was well-protected, and I had heard that he was in good shape. No. Because I had heard he was in very good shape. But, but, no, I think — ”

Karl: “Because you heard those chants — that was terrible. I mean — ”

Trump: “He could have — well, the people were very angry.”

Karl: “They were saying ‘hang Mike Pence.’”

Trump: “Because it’s common sense, Jon. It’s common sense that you’re supposed to protect. How can you — if you know a vote is fraudulent, right? — how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress? How can you do that? And I’m telling you: 50/50, it’s right down the middle for the top constitutional scholars when I speak to them. Anybody I spoke to — almost all of them at least pretty much agree, and some very much agree with me — because he’s passing on a vote that he knows is fraudulent. How can you pass a vote that you know is fraudulent? Now, when I spoke to him, I really talked about all of the fraudulent things that happened during the election. I didn’t talk about the main point, which is the legislatures did not approve — five states. The legislatures did not approve all of those changes that made the difference between a very easy win for me in the states, or a loss that was very close, because the losses were all very close.”

According to reports, this conversation is a slice of a 90-minute interview conducted on March 18 at Mar-a-Lago for Karl’s book “Betrayal,” which will hit bookstores Tuesday. The full context behind the clip was not disclosed, just a 36-second snippet Karl posted via Twitter:

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      1. I love Trump but I think he has a hard time recognizing people who really don’t have his best in mind. That even goes for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. They said one thing when interviewed but when it came to vote, they voted otherwise.

        1. To my knowledge no one can read minds Susan. But Trump is learning as he goes. And Old Al is a dead beat troll reading from a script. Tell him to flake off!

      2. Certainly not perfect. Sessions, Bolton, Manafort, Milley, Kelly, Mattis, Cohen, Bannon, Omarosa, Scaramucci, Tillerson, to name some of the worst ones. I’m still on the fence about Barr.

      3. I love and will vote for President Trump again but I always said he has a lack of psychology of people.
        He should learn to be more careful and study someone character before to trust the individual.

      4. Why did Democrat voters vote for democrats. Look at what is happening to our country. The same could be said for today’s Bidens administration. And even worse not only was Biden the wrong vote, but his entire administration.

  1. FJB, “Let’s Go Brandon!” And hey, Johnathan Karl, the dialogue and chants were “terrible” open up your damn ears and listen to what the left is sayin’ every damn day on open mics… You a mind numb idiot, and I hope your books is a flop!!!

      1. Let’s wait till all the audits are done and see how many CRIMINAL SUBPENAS will be made as Wisconsin has already done and Arizona has it before the AG for criminal investigation!!! Zuckerberg has already admitted that he spent 419 million $ on the election and to what I know only 350 million was spent in Wisconsin! I’ve seen where there was several million $ sent to Arizona. Where was the rest spent??? The truth is coming as Michigan, Pennsylvania are calling for an audit and if you get on the net and look up the evidence that AMERICAN THOUGHT LEADERS / EPOCH TIMES reported on 1-6-2021 where they charted the election in these two states and found 17,000 ballot switches in Georgia and 432,000 switches in Pennsylvania and AMISTAD PROJECT found in Wisconsin
        it will surprise you!!! STAY TUNED!!!

  2. Had hoped more from Mr pence .. He is “out” in my book as far as courage to stand on principle .. He was aware and chose to align w Rinos and Marxists

      1. Time for you to start educating yourself. Devolution would be a very good start. White hats will win. God does win. Fraud will be proven as easily as you are proving every day you are an uninformed idiot. Go troll Pelosi and do this country a real service.

  3. And the nerve of Mike Pence to think about running for President. I get emails about this. You’ve got to be kidding? He SHOULDN’T have certified that fraudulent election. There was a process in place in case this happened. It would have gone to the states. He failed, big time on this.

      1. Martial law against who? The election was already over. If martial law would have had any impact against a fraudulent election then he probably would have but nobody but the Democrats knew that mass cheating was going on.

  4. I do wish President Trump would have been more clear, if there was a significant chant of “hang Mike Pence”, that was not right. Period. on the other hand leftists like Karl often have very bad hearing, for example, they think FJB is actually Let’s Go Brandon. and at the same time, President Trump lays out a persuasive case why Pence should have not accepted the fraudulent votes and processes. At the same time, like Trump said, it is 50/50 whether it was really in Pence’s power to reject the process. I think that President Trump was pretty hard on Pence. I would never vote for Pence though after reading his comments about the Jan 6 farce.

    1. Pence is a fraud. Uses christianity as a cover….he is a pedophile and his wife Karen is an enabler. He was governor of Indiana and a lot of horrible stories about him and children. He is part of the Deep State! You know the saying “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”…Trump kept him close because he knew what Pence is. Trump let him hang himself by standing with the Democrats over the election steal. Pence is done. He will end up at Gitmo for pedophilia, his crimes against children and treason.

  5. I agree with Trump. When Trump needed Pence the most, he betrayed him. Pence ran right over to congratulate Joe Biden on the election and didn’t even attend Trump’s sendoff when he was leaving for Florida. I don’t think Trump will ever forgive him for that i won’t forgive Pence for that.

  6. There’s an old saying, ” When the going gets tough the tough get going. Well it was plain to see that Pence was weak and betrayed Trump. Good riddance!

  7. The Constititional safe guards were created for this very event. It would be stste leglsatures that should have the final say – the VP can only approve or hand it back to the State olegislatures for the final decisions – the Spineless VP caved to appease BLM, Antifa and the party RINO’s. The final question; Was Spence Spineless or does the deep state own him and could extort hims over criminality in things in his past? Likely both

  8. And what, is Trump supposed to apologize? What a joke and so NOT news. These news whores have nothing to do. That is obvious. With Trump at least something is always happening but a truth of the election steal is still a truth! Go clean house in the 2022 and 2024 elections Trump. And run the rinos running out of public office as they pop up like Murky in Alaska. Take that despot dynasty brain dead Daddy’s girl out of the politics forever more! She is the reason we need term limits! and no dynasty brats!

  9. Trump was told about the Corona virus and the yuan province where it was tested out in, in December of 2015, July of 2016 July of 2017 , and October of 2018.

  10. I agree with what our President Trump said. Pence knew it was a 50 50 chance. Pence should had rejected those votes and find out the truth. Isn’t that the American way of debating things? Give both parties the benefit of the doubt.


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